He was quickly locked up in a secure hospital facility where monitoring and treatment commenced for an indefinite period. One of the officers who responded to the attack suffered from PTSD and later committed suicide. A judge was was told at Li's trial four years ago that Li was an untreated schizophrenic. "I understand people are scared because of my behavior on the Greyhound bus. No matter what his mental state was, that showed planning and premeditation. It was July 30, 2008. In Canada, two elements are necessary to convict someone of murder: actus rea (the guilty act), and mens rea (the guilty mind). Li was fired in Edmonton after a strange interpersonal altercation. Two of them and the driver attempted to save McLean, but Li chased them away with the knife. NASA didnt know but Canadian students did, Trudeau briefed multiple times since 2019 on election interference, adviser testifies, Huge Jurassic-era bug found outside Arkansas Walmart in super-rare discovery, Missing father of 3 found inside sharks stomach, IDed by tattoo, Massive, multi-year B.C. HAPPY NEW YEAR & WAZZUP FOR GARRY RODGERS WRITING IN 2021. Carol DeDelley, the victim's mother, called the board's decision unacceptable and vowed to continue her efforts to fight the law dealing with people found not criminally responsible. "He was on the lookout for aliens as such, and the voice of God told him that Tim McLean was an alien and he needed to destroy him lest Tim destroy other people," Summerville said. The Guy On The Greyhound Bus was Vince Weiguang Li, a 40-year-old Chinese immigrant to Canada who left Edmonton, Alberta eastbound for Winnipeg in the Province of Manitoba. Famous killers like Gacy and Bianchi were masterful manipulators. There are extensive videos and transcripts available on hours and hours of a forensic psychiatrist interviewing Li and trying to get inside his head. He then decapitated him and proceeded to mutilate and cannibalize his body, eating his eyes and part of his heart. I was an evil son of an evil god. Last May, Matthew de Grood was found not criminally responsible (NCR), meaning he was found to have been mentally ill at the time of the Brentwood stabbings. He earned a degree in computer science then immigrated to Canada in 2001. "I'm not stigmatizing mental issues. Vince Li was born and raised in China. On March 5, 2009, a Manitoba court found Vince Li not criminally responsible for the horrific death of Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus seven months earlier. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. On top of that, the chances of being killed by someone who has been deemed not criminally responsible are lower than your chance of being struck by lightning. But there are few who did what Vince Li did to Tim McLean. They got him to function in an apparently normal state and began testing his response to freedom by slowly integrating him back into society. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Li is a ticking time bomb. [1] [2] Incident [ edit] WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT PERSONAL DNA TESTING. Since Li only killed one victim, the term "M.O" is somewhat misused. Terrified passengers screamed for the bus to stop and massed for the door. But you simply cant kill a deranged man in this situation. Weeks before the attack, he was fired from his job at Walmart. On March 5, 2009, McLean's killer, a 40-year-old Chinese-Canadian named Vince Li, was found not criminally responsible (NCR) for the murder, and was remanded to a high-security mental health facility in Selkirk, Manitoba, where he was detained until his release on May 8, 2015. He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental. Pierre Bruno ha vinto il Guinness Sei Nazioni meta del turno per il terzo turno del Torneo 2023 per la sua meta d'intercetto contro l'Irlanda a Roma. This isn't a call to have every person who suffers from mental illness monitored forever by law enforcement; but after someone has committed such a violent, traumatic act, he or she shouldn't ever be completely "free.". Li has an incurable disease that makes him do terrible things, Carol says. This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below. Vince Li, who now goes by Will Baker, was granted full discharge Friday afternoon. While in the hospital, Li was sued by several of the bus's passengers and that had been present during the attack, as well as McLean's family members. Robyn Urback was an opinion columnist with CBC News and a producer with the CBC's Opinion section. The Manitoba Criminal Code Review Board. First published on May 23, 2012 / 9:51 AM. She previously worked as a columnist and editorial board member at the National Post. After a day-long stand-off, Li finally attempted to escape the bus through a window, but was tasered and arrested. He tried to fight back. He now moves amongst us. That caused him to board the Greyhound for Winnipeg. But the justice system is treating him like he's cured: Robyn Urback | CBC News Loaded. Its too high a risk. And its about proper public protection. The mother of Tim McLean, the man who was beheaded and cannibalized on a Greyhound bus, is speaking out about the decision to grant an absolute discharge to the man who committed the violent crime . DID MARILYN MONROE REALLY COMMIT SUICIDE? Period.. Tims severed head by the hair in the other. It was at this time I interviewed Carol de Delley, McLeans mother, at her home on the outskirts of Winnipeg. TRUE STORY HOW A GHOST CONVICTED A MURDERER, THIRTEEN TERRIBLY CLOSE CALLS WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON ACCIDENTS. But what about when someone commits a heinous, violent act while in the midst of a paranoid delusion? Once they got Vince Li in the system, the experts went to work. Thats when hellish horror happened. It is because of Lis ardent commitment to treating his illness that he has recently been granted an absolute discharge by the Manitoba Criminal Review Board, as of Feb. 10. None of them ever got justice. A man in a mask is now standing inches from your face, holding one gun against your body and pressing another into your hand. When he realized the true magnitude of the horrible and grotesque things he had done, because his brain had lied to him. I don't believe in aliens. I too used to think of Vince Li in an extremely negative light. After sitting next to McLean (who fell asleep and barely acknowledged him), Li suddenly withdrew a knife and stabbed McLean to death while numerous passengers looked on in horror. Dr. Grandes True Crime Psychology and Personality podcast: https://www.arslonga.media Particularly psychiatric degrees. Most of the polled public agreed this was the right decision. He described Tims gruesome murder detail-by-detail to his forensic psychiatric team just as a serial killer confesses to detectives. Reddit's main subreddit for videos. But Li came prepared for this slaughter. His brain was lying to him and convincing him of a reality that was not true. In an interview granted to . After he was deemed NCR, he was sent to the Selkirk Mental Health Centre for treatment. Arm-chair Swat members later crucified police for not shooting Li to stop his butchering rampage but the police held at bay. The review board said the passes will start at 30 minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of full days. Vince Li is not evil; he's sick. They took Li to a secure hospital. He had gone off his meds. HOW DO YOU GET INTO CSI, THE CRIME LAB, OR THE MORGUE? We apologize, but this video has failed to load. Over and over and over. Success in mental health is measured by restoring someone to a healthy state and maintaining it. Li had one brush with police for peculiar behavior. Right in full view of the audience, Li digested Tims eyes and part of his heart. Published in Volume 71, Number 21 of The Uniter (February 22, 2017). Today, Vince Li is a free man. I don't hear voices," Summerville quoted Li as saying. Vince Li jumped from the bus window likely thinking he would be greeted as a hero. By continuing to use our site, you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Theres no system oversight. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN NATALIE WOODS DEATH? Also got to legally change his name after being released as well. EpiPens dont work in space? Im a retired Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Serious Crimes detective and investigator with the British Columbia Coroners Service. The decision was blasted by critics nationwide, as Canadians asked how a man who decapitated a Greyhound passenger less than 10 years earlier could possibly be set free. Two years later, he began unsupervised leave from the hospital but only for short periods. Justin Sarides is a student at the University of Winnipeg, and an advocate for empathy and reason. How in the world he came up with that figure is beyond me. 5 KILLER TIPS FOR WRITING DEADLY CRIME FICTION, ELEVEN THINGS YOU CANT DO WHEN YOURE DEAD, NO WITNESSES TO NOTHING AMAZON BESTSELLER, STEMI 5 KNOWN REALITIES OF THE UNIVERSE, WRITING DEATH SCENES / PODCAST WITH THE CREATIVE PENN. Not only did he have the knifehe also had plastic bags to store separated itemspackaging pieces for some future purpose. We encountered an issue signing you up. Subscribe to it anywhere you listen to podcasts. His brain was lying to him and convincing him of a reality that was not true. Maybe he moonlights as an actuary. Vince was granted supervised walks within his mental facility as voted by the provincial review board on the 3rd of June, 2010. But Tims family had no input. A Saskatchewan official says a beheading on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba 10 years ago was the beginning of a steep decline in bus ridership in his province. Vincent Weiguang "Vince" Li is a Chinese-Canadian man who, on July 30, 2008, brutally killed and cannibalized a 22-year old Canadian man Timothy Richard "Tim" McLean, Jr.. After being apprehended following a 1-day stand-off, Li was found not guilty by reason of insanity and spent six years in a mental hospital before being released in 2015. I am glad to take it. Hear about the horrific bond between two of the most high-profile Canadian killings: the Brentwood Five massacre and the Greyhound bus beheading. Create an account or sign in to continue with your reading experience. A schizophrenic man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus could know later this week whether he will be granted his freedom. But when I realized just how deeply my brother was suffering from schizophrenia, I was forced to confront and learn about the illness. Just never let him out. He knows that the medication works to keep the voices away.". They relied on expert opinions from forensic psychiatric witnesses who were clinically detached from the scene. We have to acknowledge he is sick, not evil, which means he can't be locked up forever. The paper's publisher refused to run the ad. Without warning, Vince Li made a break for freedom. As someone whose brother suffers from schizophrenia, Ive paid close attention to the trial of Vince Li - a man who has since changed his name for the sake of anonymity. Even the judge. Li was found not criminally responsible for the July 2008 death of Tim McLean, a young carnival worker who was sitting next to Li on a bus near Portage la Prairie. I also served as a marksman (sniper) on SAS-trained Emergency Response Teams, so Ive got a bit of experience around life and death. They contained the scene and attempted to reason with Li. Li later attempted to drive the bus away (but was halted since the driver used the bus's emergency immobilizer system) and then tried to climb out of a window after a day-long stand-off. BETWEEN THE BIKERS NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME BOOK RELEASE, NXIVM THE CRAZY SEX CULT OF KEITH RANIERE, A PRETTY EVIL TALK WITH AUTHOR SUE COLETTA, LAST STATEMENTS FROM THE TEXAS DEATH ROW CHAMBER, ON THE FLOOR NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME BOOK BY GARRY RODGERS. Vince Li was found not criminally responsible. A forensic psychiatrist was quoted saying at Lees release hearing that, in his opinion, Li had only a 0.8% chance of relapsing. JUST HOW DEADLY IS NOVEL CORONAVIRUS AND COVID-19? Hed been quiet and distant. To many, it won't seem "right" that someone has to check in with the legal system forever just because he or she suffers from an illness and committed a crime, but at the same time, it's arguably worse to assume that everything is fine, to shrug off whatever act landed the individual in the justicesystem in the first place, and to blindly trust that he or she won't decide one day that medication is no longer needed. Untold time and money were spent in rehabilitating Vince Li. But he wasnt truly out of it. It's sad that people forget that the person who did this have family that are innocent of the situation. It doesnt make any sense to presume that he would willingly do so. By 2015, Li was in a half-way house and only monitored for medication. Vince Li, who now goes by the name Will Baker, beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger, Tim McLean, on a bus just outside Portage la Prairie on July 30, 2008. HAS MADELEINE MCCANNS MURDERER FINALLY BEEN CAUGHT? But today Li is closer to being a free man, with no conditions. Vince Li was a ticking bomb. money laundering investigation ends without charges, RCMP believe Slave Lake toddler Jeffrey Dupres, missing for 43 years, is still alive, NASA didnt know: Ottawa elementary school students make breakthrough discovery, NDP, Conservatives push for inquiry into foreign election interference allegations, Edmonton mayor hoping for more than budget promises, Indigo wont pay ransom to hackers, says stolen employee data may appear on dark web this week, Nigeria federal election: Opposition vows to challenge results. After the incident, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) attempted to run an ad in the Portage Daily Graphic comparing the killing of McLean to the consumption of animals. Comments on this story are moderated according to our Submission Guidelines. Please note that CBC does not endorse the opinions expressed in comments. Tim McLean, 22. Li wanted a victim and Tim McLean was it. According to Summerville's transcript, Li recognizes that people fear him. A man who was found not criminally responsible for beheading and cannibalizing a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Canada has been granted his freedom. WINNIPEG Vince Li says he understands why people are still afraid of him. That system is made of people. But could it be prevented? That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. Hes crazy. ", Justin Trudeau must put the rights of victims ahead of criminals. He is seems to be still in shock after what he has witnessed. TELEPATHIC COMMUNICATION + UNNATURAL MAYHEM. The standoff, that is. Public protection was not. Finally, on February 10, 2017 Vince Lee was declared completely stable and reliable to function on his own, including regulating his own medseven though all psychiatrists agree schizophrenia is an incurable mental disease. Men puked. They neglect victim and family rights. People are truly naive and sheltered to the evils of the world. Get the Uniters top stories in your inbox every week. In 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness for the death of Tim McLean, a 22-year-old carnival worker who was sitting next to him on a bus traveling near. Public protection is low on their scale. A man in a mask is now standing inches from your face, holding one gun against your body and pressing another into your hand. Nor was he taking any when he boarded the Greyhound bus. Vince Li was betrayed by his own brain chemistry. (2013). Vince Li was sitting near the front. Now ask yourself if this individual would really ever consider going off his medication? No one in authority listened to what impact this brutal murder had on Tims family and friends, not to mention traumatized witnesses on the bus. GLOSSOPHOBIA OVERCOME YOUR FEAR OF PUBLIC SPEAKING, DEMYSTIFYING SHOW VS. 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